I’m not gonna lie I’m more looking forward to the post-S8 shitstorm when Kl@nce doesn’t become canon than I am for the actual season. It’s gonna be fucking hilarious I’m so fucking ready.
Just because a space includes minors, does not mean the space is structured around minors. At thirteen years of age, you are well capable of controlling your own media experience. The adults on Tungle are not responsible for making sure eyou avoid their content beyond flagging what the content is. Just because you have the opinion that something is wrong or “”Problematic”” does not mean that it’s going to be expunged from the internet for your comfort.
You deserve to be safe, regardless of how you choose to ship fictional characters. Teenagers and young adults exploring their sexuality safely through art and writing should not be made afraid to do so.
Shippers (many of whom are minors) should not be suicide-baited, threatened, falsely accused of being “pedophiles”, or had their lives genuinely placed in danger because of what they draw or write.
Antis need to stay out of fandom tags COMPLETELY if they’re so inept in using the blocking and filtering features given to them. They have ALWAYS had the ability to AVOID what they don’t wish to see. If they cannot take part in fandoms without harassing others, they do not belong in fandoms–PERIOD.
Antis should also not participate in fandoms where the creators themselves hold values they don’t agree with. Antis are primarily the ones responsible for harassing the crew members (and families of crew members) for the shows they claim to enjoy. Antis have even gone so far now as to PHYSICALLY endanger others over fan art/fanfiction. That is NEVER, EVER OKAY.
It is the job of antis to look out for THEMSELVES, the same way it is the job of you or I to avoid the things in life that make US uncomfortable. I don’t like deep, dark water–so I don’t fucking scuba dive.
If you boil down anti arguments on why they attack fans and not big name content creators like book authors or whatever it all comes out to “these are the people i can hurt”
This has got to be the worst fandom I’ve ever been in since voltron. Atleast problematic ships were heavily discouraged over there and fujos were told to fuck off. But defending and abusive relationships like catra and Adora and allowing it to top fandom metrics is beyond disgusting. It’s like bakudeku with women.
Just Anti Things: I have no idea what fujoshi means, also I’m apparently on some pretty strong drugs if I think that voltron is an example of a good fandom
OP I have some news for you, no fandom is good, no matter what the show/book/movie is about, the fandom will always be shit, even the most chilled fandom in the world has its grand turds here and there. She-Ra is no exception, the fandom for this show was shit loooong before the first season even aired on Netflix. However, here is a hard pill for you, people like you ruin fandoms, and it’s because of your inability to not harass someone over fiction, the inability to not know what words mean, and the inability to know the difference between a complicated relationship and an abusive relationship.
“The inability to know what words mean”
Did I harass someone? I’m not even posting on the fandoms tags. I’m only discouraging straight women who blindly jack off to tlhe things they consume.
Discouraging straight women who blindly jack off to things they- WHY IS THAT ANY OF YOU BUSINESS? That also counts as harassment because that is none of your god damn problem and it’s fucking dictative. Fucking leave people a lone for god sakes. Look up what fujoshi means, stop spelling it as “fujoshis” too because their is no plural in Japanese words, learn the difference between complicated and abusive, just get a fucking dictionary. Jesus for a young blog it’s already a damn train wreck.
@rottenboysclub Care to give this young blog a history lesson on what fujoshi means?
We’ve asked men to be critical of the things they consume, certain acts are the result of bad parenting or patriarchy, or certain acts promote them. A teenage boy wouldn’t know why he likes dominating people so much and disempowering women, he wouldn’t even question it. He does it most likely because of our society still valuing master-slave like relationships, ie. Women being submissive and obedient to men. Yes women can also perpetuate these kind of social dynamics by chasing after aggressive men.
I don’t need a history lesson on the word fujoshiss. I know it’s a reclaimed word for “Rotten woman”, used by women who liked taboo porn.
My analysis isn’t based on historical contexts, it’s based on now. Fujoshis have ruined people’s lives and qualify to end up in one of those sjw cringe compilations. They’ve a reputation on not being notified about LGBT issues and gawking at gay couples like they are zoo animals.
You lost me at critically thinking about what you like and what turns you on. It’s still none of your business to tell people what to do about what turns them on and fun fact, lots of women actually enjoy being submissive regardless of if they’re in a straight or lesbian relationship. They just like it, it’s not that deep and it’s not destroying society as a whole.
Yes you do, because you keep ending it as plural, that’s bastardizing Japanese language and it wasn’t used by women, it was created by Japanese incel’s bitching about women liking yaoi and bl, it’s roots are mysogynistic and sexist.
You really should include analyst with historical contexts as well, because not only does ignoring it make the analyst look lazy as all hell, but everything you just claim fujoshi of doing is from 2008, when fujoshi were at their worse. Time and time there are bad eggs in the fujoshi community but they have become so rare.
I don’t need a history lesson on the word fujoshiss. I know it’s a reclaimed word for “Rotten woman”, used by women who liked taboo porn.
That’s not what it means.
Fujoshi is a Japanese term that simply means a woman that is a fan of mlm ships in fiction. Said woman could be straight, lesbian, bisexual, trans etc. – it isn’t specified. It doesn’t specify the type of mlm ships she has, or how she ships them. Said woman could be a casual fan, as not all fujoshi are even considered otaku (hardcore fans / nerdy fans). If a woman even has a single mlm ship, she is considered a fujoshi.
Himejoshi is the wlw equivalent, meaning a woman that is a fan of wlw ships in fiction.
The following is copy-pasted from previous replies, because I’m not writing it all out again:
Fujoshi started as a misogynistic insult on 2ch to say that women who are interested in any kind of fictional mlm shipping content are unsuitable for marriage (basically not a yamato nadeshiko), and rotten in the head. [Source] (links to abstract, you can read the full paper by clicking html at the side there)
Fujoshi has since been reclaimed and, when used as a fandom term, means the following (translated from Japanese):
“Fujoshi is women who like novels, manga, etc. that deal with male-male love, such as yaoi or BL. [usage of ya here implies that it’s not limited to BL/yaoi, but simply includes it]”
“A word used to refer to a woman who like works depicting male-male love.”
Fujoshi only means “rotten girl” if you google-translate it. In other words, I consider it somewhat of a mistranslation as the ‘fu’ character doesn’t actually carry connotations of bad behaviour like the word “rotten” does in English. The fu character is also used in tofu – directly translated it means “fermented bean”. So I think fujoshi is probably better translated as “fermentation girl” and the reason it was termed as such has more to do with the fact that (when it was originally used to refer to slash fangirls) these women would “ferment” / change the “product to be consumed” (anime series), so that it would be unpalatable for the cishet male viewer, by making two or more male characters in love with one another. In other words, it’s a food pun. This is seen with other fujoshi terms such as “mapodoufu” (spicy tofu in mince) and “nama” (raw, uncooked or unpreserved food). I have more sources on the etymology here.
The current anti-fujoshi movement on this site was spearheaded by TERFs, as a way to insult trans men and accuse them of being “females fetishising gay relationships”. Using fujoshi in this way (with the definition of “females fetishising gay relationships”, rather than the Japanese definition) is a TERF dogwhistle for trans mlm.[Sources here]
There are a good number of well-known lesbian fujoshi. Kabi Nagata and Akiko Mizoguchi immediately spring to mind, and they’re just some who are out. According to gay mangaka Gengoroh Tagame, a lot of fujoshi and BL mangaka may appear as cis het women on paper, but in actuality are closeted lesbians, bisexuals, trans men, x-gender, and even some who were writing under a pen-name and later turned out to be cis gay MEN. [source]
In addition, according to various demographic surveys, about half (50%!) of female BL readers identify as non-cishet in some way.
Sources:
Welker, James. (2006) Beautiful, Borrowed, and Bent: “Boys’ Love” as Girls’ Love in Shôjo Manga Signs: Journal of Women in Culture and Societyvol. 31, no. 3
Antonia, Levi (2008). “North American reactions to Yaoi”. In West, Mark. The Japanification of Children’s Popular Culture. Rowman & Littlefield. pp. 147–174.
AND even if the majority of fujoshi were cishet (which they aren’t), I and many other queer men, including queer Japanese men, don’t consider it to inherently be homophobic or fetishistic for them to like slash.
We’ve asked men to be critical of the things they consume, certain acts are the result of bad parenting or patriarchy, or certain acts promote them. A teenage boy wouldn’t know why he likes dominating people so much and disempowering women, he wouldn’t even question it. He does it most likely because of our society still valuing master-slave like relationships, ie. Women being submissive and obedient to men.
I’m not sure if you’re aware, but the wording here uses a lot of SWERF and sex-negative dogwhistles. X-critical and the associated communities are part of Radical Feminism. That doesn’t mean we can’t look at something problematic in our society and criticise it (obviously) but the RF communities themselves and how they approach this criticism go about it in all the wrong ways. With regards to this teenager’s behaviour: Are we talking about in society in general, or about who’s topping or bottoming in the bedroom? Because the master-slave comment makes me thing it’s either a comparison to the enslavement of Black Americans, or talking about BDSM dynamics. Either way is… pretty insensitive wording at best.
Yes women can also perpetuate these kind of social dynamics by chasing after aggressive men.
Oppression is a societal institution, not based on a single individual. Oppression occurs when one group, based on an aspect of their identity, is elevated by society and the other (those not in said group) is subjugated by laws, stereotypes and social rules and norms. Oppression doesn’t go both ways. Women don’t perpetuate their own oppression simply by following the social rules that they are expected to follow. This is straight-up victim blaming.
Also, that whole “they don’t know anything about LGBT issues” ? Mostly because the fujoshi you’re talking about happen to be sheltered baby gays, questioning youth, and allies – kids who haven’t yet been taught the proper way to interact with members of the LGBT+ community, or about LGBT+ history. Because we live in a homophobic / transphobic society that goes out of its way to hide that stuff from “impressionable children’s minds”.
None of us come out the womb as having a pure and perfect understanding of the world, so don’t blame an excited 14 year old seeing two men kiss for the first time in real life, for a societal failure of not introducing them to gay role models sooner, or for having internalised prejudice about the community. Even as adults we have to keep unlearning that shit. Nobody’s perfect, and we’re allowed to grow and change into better versions of ourselves as we get older.
History is important. Just remember the old adage: Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
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